Is Kyuubi Naruto now badass enough to excuse the lack of skill? directly, increase, doesnt, matter

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To me, in order for a mindless powerup to be entertaining, it needs to be so badass that it doesnt matter that theres no tactics or skill.

Hollow Ichigo of Bleach still manages to be enteraining due to be being cool looking and being a pyschotic badass.
Likewise Gutt's berserk armour in Berserk is amazingly badass, and directly tied to Gutt's pyche, so it isn't just a random powerup.

Although I'm disapointed that Naruto hasn't displayed much skill increase at all, I think Kyuubi Naruto has now become badass enough for me to find it entertaining in it's own right.

Agree?

*edit* since alot of people have missed my point...

What I mean to say is, for those of you waiting to see some skill from Naruto, is this new transformation so badass that you dont care it's mindless, and won't mind waiting a little longer?

I don't understand how Ichigo's hollow is much better than Naruto's kyuubi.  Seriously, it's the same thing if not worse.

I'd rather see Naruto use more skill than mindless power so for the moment I am dissapointed. Due to my expectations on his kn4 fighting style being that he'll just be ultra fast and have a huge 'physical' chakra I'm not expecting my opinion to change when we see him fight. However if he happens to do some funky techs then maybe I will change my mind

Should we still say kyuubi -naruto- I mean he's gonna act on mindless destruction now and he's lost to the other side of the seal we might as well just say mini-kyuubi or chibi kyuubi cause that's his bag of tricks mindless destruction, fur etc. I doubt we'll see even one jutsu unless it'll all be kyuubi style mass destruction moves which should be pretty cool.

The thing is, plot wise, Kyuubi Naruto is not there just for the sake of power ups... It's for the angst factor. gt;_gt;

Its been 293 chapters and its still not blatantly obvious to some people that Naruto has never been, is not and will probably never be the skill-type shinobi. Naruto is a raw power kind of guy. Wheter you like it or hate it, there's nothing you can do about it. Every week we get a thread dedicated to wishing Naruto is as tactical as Shikamaru. Guess what? It got old months ago.

Well to be honest Naruto hasn't really shown what he learned since his emotions are very unstable.  Until he can get a hold of them he'll show what he's able to do.

I don't mind it, seeing as this fight will lead to his learning to balance Heaven and Earth.


Originally Posted by Neji48972Its been 293 chapters and its still not blatantly obvious to some people that Naruto has never been, is not and will probably never be the skill-type shinobi. Naruto is a raw power kind of guy. Wheter you like it or hate it, there's nothing you can do about it. Every week we get a thread dedicated to wishing Naruto is as tactical as Shikamaru. Guess what? It got old months ago.

Can't argue with that. Even in his few moments of actual thought in a battle he still comes off as in your face and loud in his attacks. He's never going to be an actual quot;ninjaquot; when it comes to fighting. That's pretty much a given. Beside the shadow clones, rasengan, and some decent hand to hand fighting Naruto dosn't really have anything else going for him without the Kyuubi. That's really the biggest problem when it comes to the sereis. Kish never really took the time to try and give Naruto attacks or any other skills. Hell I think giving Naruto still with a weapon of some kind could go a long way to making him more interesting but oh well.

I think only when KN reaches the point where its the actual Kyuubi speaking during fights that I can excuse the lack of skill. It's the same with Gaara. I didn't care for his transformation but when he put himself to sleep and the Shuaka(sp?) actually came out and started speaking, I knew we were in a fight a cool fight. So until that happens with Naruto I don't think the lack of skill is going to be to forgiven. Maybe if he at least talked while in this state, even if it was simple one word things or grunts.

Naruto is a raw power kind of guy. Wheter you like it or hate it, there's nothing you can do about it. Every week we get a thread dedicated to wishing Naruto is as tactical as Shikamaru. Guess what? It got old months ago.

I think everyone knows he's a raw power guy, we just wish he'd put his raw power into some particular (nin)jutsu's rather than blasting chakra around and using it to increase his speed and power.

Also Naruto has always been pretty good strategy wise, he can come up with clever tactics and good plans to beat his enemies when needed (Neji, Zabuza, Kiba matches all show a strategical awareness). Sure he's no Shikamaru but he is clever enough to use different tactics, we see his tactical abilities with his clever use of kage bunshins most of the time.

At the moment though that seems to have gone out of the window

To answer the thread starter: Hell no. Yes, Naruto's crazy powerful at the moment, but he's just a monster like this(in the literal, maybe even derogatory sense). And this isn't the kind of power he can continue to fall back on because of the heavy risks involved.

If you kids enjoy seeing Naruto's tailed transformation, savor this fight, because we won't be seeing too much of them after this.

Kishimoto still has the rest of Part 2 to develop Naruto more as a Ninja, folks.

Neji48972, I disagree with you to an extent. I think in comparision to his peers, yes, he will fall back on power more than actual skill. But he will have to become a pretty capable Ninja if he wants to become Hokage. It'd be stupid if he reached his goal on power-ups alone.

naruto's skill will be shown later, right now he has to try to fix his problem which is control of his mind and anger. but i still want to see naruto going on a rampage.


Originally Posted by SaiTo answer the thread starter: Hell no. Yes, Naruto's crazy powerful at the moment, but he's just a monster like this(in the literal, maybe even derogatory sense). And this isn't the kind of power he can continue to fall back on because of the heavy risks involved.

If you kids enjoy seeing Naruto's tailed transformation, savor this fight, because we won't be seeing too much of them after this.

Kishimoto still has the rest of Part 2 to develop Naruto more as a Ninja, folks.

Neji48972, I disagree with you to an extent. I think in comparision to his peers, yes, he will fall back on power more than actual skill. But he will have to become a pretty capable Ninja if he wants to become Hokage. It'd be stupid if he reached his goal on power-ups alone.

what ^ he said only with a few insults sprinkled here and there to piss off the people who don't listen to reason.

i think the 4 tail thing looks gay and it doesnt look very detailed :/

KN3 looked badass and evil...now he just looks like a big gay fox....oh well itl be fun seeing shit get smashed

and yes we wont be seeing this type of kyuubi fight again


Originally Posted by SaiTo answer the thread starter: Hell no. Yes, Naruto's crazy powerful at the moment, but he's just a monster like this(in the literal, maybe even derogatory sense). And this isn't the kind of power he can continue to fall back on because of the heavy risks involved.

If you kids enjoy seeing Naruto's tailed transformation, savor this fight, because we won't be seeing too much of them after this.

Kishimoto still has the rest of Part 2 to develop Naruto more as a Ninja, folks.

Neji48972, I disagree with you to an extent. I think in comparision to his peers, yes, he will fall back on power more than actual skill. But he will have to become a pretty capable Ninja if he wants to become Hokage. It'd be stupid if he reached his goal on power-ups alone.gotta agree with this.   for the sake of the manga I hope this is the path it'll take.

i guess there goes the quot;Kyuubi Naruto's jinchuuriki ability is to control chackraquot; theory flying right out the window...good riddance.

I swear these no skills threads popping up everywhere are annoying amp; are you people just plain dumb.This is kyuubi 's chakra its not something you control because of how evil amp; dangerous it is its obvious he has skill he just trained with jiraiya for f**k sake you think all they did for 3 years is just use kyuubi idiots its plain sense that he has been trained amp; has skills.

You think you can just mold a chakra thats dangerous 292 had kyuubi judge by a medic nin that its chakra you don't control.Its gonna take time for naruto to use the kyuubi chakra for jutsu's it may not even ever happen because its just to huge of an energy.Guy has some control just not full control ability.

He's been loosing it because the forth's seal is weakening so its easier for kyuubi chakra to leak out furthermore as jinchuuruki's grow older they start fusing with there bijuu gt;gt;,and look kyuubi is on top know why because there is a imbalance in powergt;gt;the forth seal was put there so this didnt happen but once naruto broke it he could use it amp; now its at the point that kyuubi is just taking over him mentally.

I swear you people are starting to piss me off naruto has no skill blah,blah I can bet a certain in the future when naruto sorts out this kyuubi stuff amp; starts using jutsu there will be threads saying arh arh that jutsu makes naruto over powered blah ,blah amp; the rest of it.

The problem now is that kyuubi is corrupting naruto mentally understand this before making these annoying threads kyuubi chakra ain't like anything else this is the strongest thing in the narutoverse amp; you think that a 15 year old or anyone else will control with ease really think before making these threads.


Originally Posted by SplinteredI don't understand how Ichigo's hollow is much better than Naruto's kyuubi.  Seriously, it's the same thing if not worse.

I never used the word quot;betterquot;. What I mean is to me, Hollow Ichigo is still very entertaining despite being a cheap powerup in nature. He looks cool enough, and has enough personality, that I dont care how cheap he is. Originally Posted by SaiTo answer the thread starter: Hell no. Yes, Naruto's crazy powerful at the moment, but he's just a monster like this(in the literal, maybe even derogatory sense). And this isn't the kind of power he can continue to fall back on because of the heavy risks involved.

If you kids enjoy seeing Naruto's tailed transformation, savor this fight, because we won't be seeing too much of them after this.

Kishimoto still has the rest of Part 2 to develop Naruto more as a Ninja, folks.

I also never said anything about how long he was going to be able to be Kyuubi Naruto for.
It's fairly obvious he cant continue to access this level of power, both because he will die and also because it will be dull.

What I mean is, alot of people have been eagerly awaiting Naruto to show off some amazing new strategies and jutsus, and so far he hasnt delievered.

For me the four tailed transformation is visualy impressive enough and badass enough that for the moment I don't mind that it's a total no brainer, and I dont mind waiting for Naruto to show us some skill a bit later on.

As regards to people arguing that he is/isnt a skill type ninja... whats that got to do with anything? No, he isnt a Shikamaru or Kakashi type strategy guy, and he never will be. But he's been able to pull excellent strategies out in the middle of a battle, using his limited abilities.
It's fairly reasonable to expect he has at least gained a new jutsu or two and the ability to use them to a high degree, surely?
He's obviously going to stay spontanious, but that doesnt mean he cant be smatter, more varied, and more impressive with it


Originally Posted by MoridinI'd rather see Naruto use more skill than mindless power so for the moment I am dissapointed. Due to my expectations on his kn4 fighting style being that he'll just be ultra fast and have a huge 'physical' chakra I'm not expecting my opinion to change when we see him fight. However if he happens to do some funky techs then maybe I will change my mind

To add to that we cant say Naruto this or Naruto that..its more like what ever the hell Kyuubi wants to do..So is Kyuubi Bad..Hell yea...naruto though is just a victim of its madness

Actually no.
I have likened Naruto in 4 tails completely covered in blood to Gutts in the berserker armor, and while i do agree that i find such characters to be really cool, thing is, I actually like Gutts.
Naruto i do not. COs apart from an impressive display of KB and a bigger Rasengan he hasnt shown many improvements
The part-2 Naruto i had in mind was a more uber version of the Naruto that fought Gaara and Neji. Someone in complete control of his actions, not giving into rage every 3 secs, adn able to control whatever chakra he was using.
I was expecting him to go into 2 and even 3 tails, while being completely sane and in control.
So while a 4 tail berserk Naruto is appealing, i still dont like him a lot